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 No.8547 [View All]

Autumn edition

See also >>8076
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 No.8924

I purchased compression socks a couple of months ago. Read they could help with foot pain caused by long hours on my feet. They did. Dr. Scholl's brand, made for work. Very thick and durable. Small comlaint: they didn't consistently hold tight at the top. Just purchased a new brand. Charmking. Haven't worn these to work yet. Just pulled them on to test their fit. Love the length and they are snug on my calf. Problem: they are thin. Not likely to survive more than a few days before wearing out. I anticipate the eight pair will last a couple of months in rotation. They were cheap, so no real worries. Thank you for reading my sock blog.
This post may contain affiliate links which earn commission for the reviewer.

 No.8925

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>>8924
Now we have to update the banner!
>They did.
Good to hear, it sucks to be forced to take breaks from activity due to pain, and not exhaustion as it should be.

 No.8926 KONTRA

I wish I had a bag of spicy chips.
Honestly it gets better for a few hours when I’ve had a mug of herbal tea, but then it goes downhill again.
The smell of this vanilla candle I got yesterday also helps. Reminds me of those magical summer nights I had that never seemed to end.

I’ve reviewed most of the vocabulary and grammar for tomorrow’s exam. I hope I’ll get a D. Then I can have lunch and threw together some of the classical homework afterwards.

I made some french toast. It was allright. Had an energy drink. Life goes on.

 No.8927

>>8925
>pic
Accurate, lol. Felt a bit odd switching from crew length socks to over-the-calf but it was worth it for the compression.

 No.8929

3 months ago I drunkenly mistook kilojoules for calories in a suspiciously tasty beverage, and started drinking it regularly.
I have mysteriously gained a bunch of weight since then.
Today, I realized my mistake..

RIP

 No.8930 KONTRA

Btw I don’t care about the national holiday. Bunch of retards waving their dicks around to see who’s the most patriotic and forcing everything to close for an entire day.
1956 memorial events are disgusting honestly. Disgustingly political. Either ex-communists or children of ex-communist trying to make themselves/parents look less bad for the executions they took part in, or midwit and below nationalists waving the flag and listening to dumb boomer faggots who were out in the streets but hadn’t a fucking clue about anything before, during or after in their lives.
I feel nothing but disgust when for a few seconds I see an interview with a political prostitute like this. They have at best one inconsequential story about it like how they knew someone who know someone who trow a molotov at a T-34 or some shit like that and now they are attentionwhoring to the max at the sunset of their lives as “National heroes”.
János bácsi fought the Russians in ‘56 (he was 14 years old and threw a brick at a store window), and after being released in 58 his taxes he paid “working” 164 years at a thread factory built the sidewalks, the commieblocks and the Mir Space Station.

I wish any library was open today but no such luck.

 No.8931 KONTRA

>>8929
What was that drink ?

 No.8933

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God damn it ever since I saw this picture I just assumed that it was a 19th century "memento mori" style etching or something but no, it's an artwork for a mediocre black metal album made by some polish guy named Zbigniew M. Bielak.
I am so disappointed.

it coulda been me. I coulda been making cool metal album art illustrations. instead, I am going through an online course to become a "DevOps" whatever it means.
I have wasted my life.

>>8931
Locally produced Gin Tonic.
But now I am not sure if I misread it the first time I checked the nutrition label (while drunk), or if I misread it right now (while drunk).
I think the confusion stems from the fact that the nutrition information is not a table, but a string, and they could have put the calorie information in either format - "X kj; Y cal" or "y cal; X kj" or "cal Y; kj X" or "kj X; cal Y".

Let me go chekck and I'll report back.

 No.8934 KONTRA

>>8933
Gin is fucking meh but tonic is great honestly.

 No.8935

>>8933
Ok, the only store open at this time of night didn't have the gin and tonic, fs I couldn't double check the nutrition information.

But they did have this lol.

>>8934
Ard you one of them la-la fancy lads who knows tbe names of the drinks snd has preferences and shit?

The only thing I care about is price per ethanol contrnt per ml.

 No.8936

>>8935
Are there fanfuriks in Kazakhstan?

 No.8937

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I forgot to attsch picture

I don't think I csn drink ghix today

>>8936
Just good old medicinal dpirg.
Cheaper thsn boyaryshnik snyway.

 No.8939

I hate it when I'm making an argument for determinism, and someone clowns on me for using the word "choice" or "choose" in the body of said argument.

As if it's some kind of gotcha.
Choice doesn't contradict determinism.
You can make choices in a deterministic universe, it's just that what choices you make are pre-determined.
duh
ez

 No.8940

>>8939
If a choice is pre-determined, it's not a choice anymore, though.
In my next post I will confirm my expectation of your reply.

 No.8941

>>8940
>If a choice is pre-determined, it's not a choice anymore, though.
citation needed
choice means that you used the information available to you, and the environment surrounding you, and your desires at the moment, and made a decision that made the most sense according to that information.

it's just that the information available, and the environment, and your desires, etc., were pre-determined.
the fact that they were pre-determined doesn't mean that your choice was invalid or whatever. your choice is perfectly free and makes sense given the circumstances. it's just that the circumstances are pre-determined. your choice isn't. had the circumstances been different, you would have made a different choice
but they weren't
and you can't make an experiment with different circumstances because you can't alter the past

so you can make a choice, it's just that you are guaranteed to make the same choice. your choice is free, but is pre-determined. you could be presented with the same situation 100 times, and 100 times you would make the rational choice to make the same choice.

there is no contradiction in this.

it's kinda how if a coin lands on heads 5 times, it was still random.

 No.8942

>>8941
>choice means that you used the information available to you, and the environment surrounding you, and your desires at the moment, and made a decision that made the most sense according to that information.
>and made a decision that made the most sense according to that information.
Lol, lmao, roflcopter.
Your whole premise is flawed.

 No.8943 KONTRA

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>>8942
>Your whole premise is flawed.
Is it?

 No.8944

>>8942
You make choices every day.
But if I ask you to co.e up with a sequence of 100 random numbers, you will fail.

So, you make choices, but your behavior is deterministic.
No contradiction.

The definition of choice is the ability to make decisions within the reality you live in, noy to defy reality, or cjoose which reality you live in

 No.8945 KONTRA

I feel like I’m going to fail this. I studied both the vocab and the grammar but I don’t feel any sort of confidence about this exam. The fucking wedding robbed me of two days of studying (utter cope) and I think I could have studied more.
All these retards already have their degrees and I’m stuck redoing this shit.

 No.8946

> free choice / deterministic
since i've looked at the busy beaver math/logic/compuuhta problem i think the universe and its laws are too small to be deterministic.
the beaver would stop being busy every time in a deterministic world.

 No.8948

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>>8944
> or cjoose which reality you live in
assuming you include physics as part of this reality, i would be interested how you interpret "our" current understanding.
as far as i understood, our best model to represent physical behaviour is to think of it as waves, thou this model might be lacking.

a wave always has more than 1 dimension. if you try to force or determine one of this dimension you either need an infinite amount of space or an infinite amount of overlapping waves, which is only theoretical possible. am pretty confident in that statement. doubt we - or any intelligent being - will ever be able to do that in practice.

determinism only exists in theory.
you decided and made the free choice to believe in this theory.

i would recommend reading Gödel Maths or Heisenberg Physics as a starting point to embrace the beauty of free will.

stoopid hooman

 No.8949

>>8948
Ok, now apply your reasoning to a clock.
Does a clock have free will because of quantum mumbo jumbo waves and shit?
Nope.

besides, I don't see how any of that relates to whether the universe is deterministic or not.
I've seen this thrown around a lot "quantum physics means free will / no determinism" and nobody bothered to explain why would a a particle being a wave or being unable to measure X and Y at the same time or whatever the fuck would mean the universe isn't deterministic.

>everything's a wave so there's free will

???
a bit of a leap there.

 No.8950

>>8949
you are super-imposing your world view on physics.
just because you believe something to be, it doesn't automatically exist.
sure, your parents might tell you about santa claus and even go as far as trolling you with random appearing gifts - but it doesn't change the fact, that those gifts came from your parents and not from the imaginary old guy you believe in.

> >everything's a wave so there's free will

> ???
> a bit of a leap there.

i don't think, you understood what a "wave" in this sense is. it actually isn't that big of a leap at all.

if you don't want to look into physics, that is fine. maybe you still want to look into math and logic, thou.

what is your take on Gödel's incompleteness theorems?

>>8948
> Gödel
poor Hilbert. his deterministic world view got so thoroughly fucked by Gödel, that he ended up losing all will to live and starved himself to death. wiki says "pernicious anemia", thou. fake news !! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hilbert#Death

 No.8951

>>8950
You keep name dropping science words you heard on youtube and using them to make inappropriate claims.

explain to me how everything being waves prevents the universe from being deterministic.

And Gödel's incompleteness theorem just says there are certain things (in math) that you can't prove by using math. It makes no physical, or even metaphysical claims.

None of these things imply what you think they imply, you should stop watching indian pseudobuddhist inspirational videos on youtube.

 No.8952

>>8949
i gonna try to explain it with humanitarian "science" *cough*
i am not good with humans, thou. it might miserably fail

your clock point looks at a different picture. it is way too big compared to what i was trying to focus on.
for example if you look at all of humanity, it is easy to point out (determine) certain things where nobody would even consider to object. as an example something like
> humans are stupid.
if you look at a single human, it gets harder to determine; you need more information. and what about a newborn? and at what point are we starting to consider someone hooman? :3

you can look at a clock and see where the hand is pointing at. but you can't point at the electrons making this hand. best you can do is a probability density estimation.

it's like saying "welp, this newborn might turn out this or this stoopid".
if you could watch that newborn grow to old age, you are still not getting the full picture of how stoopid dat hoomen is. only a selection based on the reality it experienced.
theoretically you could rebirth him again and again and again and put that hooman to all possible reality scenarios. now you could determine
> this hooman is exactly this stoopid
but you would need an infinite amount of time for it.

same with propaganda.
aim propaganda at an individual and it is very likely to fail. aim it at the masses and it is easy going; child's play, even.

the problem for a full on 100% deterministic world view is:
it isn't enough to determine big chunks. you need to be able to determine every single small tiny itzy bit. else the whole thing isn't vegan. no typo :^)

 No.8953

>>8951
> you should stop watching indian pseudobuddhist inspirational videos on youtube.
now i wanna check something like that out; might be good for the lulz.
you got any recommendations? :DD

 No.8954

>>8951
> you should stop watching indian pseudobuddhist inspirational videos on youtube.
now i wanna check something like that out; might be good for the lulz.
you got any recommendations? :DD

> explain to me how everything being waves prevents the universe from being deterministic.

i would recommend wiggle wiggle wiggle i posted a while back as a start for understanding waves. it explains it a lot better than i ever could.

 No.8955 KONTRA

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>>8950
> Gödel
> Hilbert
> paranoia starving

like always, this Ernst isn't a reliable source. lurked the wiki a bit more.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del#Letzte_Jahre

Gödel was the one not eating.

 No.8956 KONTRA

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sry for spamming, but this is a topic that really triggers/interests me. gonna stop after this post
>>8951
> And Gödel's incompleteness theorem just says there are certain things (in math) that you can't prove by using math. It makes no physical, or even metaphysical claims.
my point with Gödel's incompleteness theorems is:

If the only thing we are able to proof with logic/math is, that we cannot determine everything... how can you believe that everything is deterministic?
We've already proven that is not the case. Either submit a formal error report of the proof or proof that everything is deterministic.
Yes, we sometimes have wrong/faulty things in science/math/logic... but you gotta disprove it; not just ask the same question again. i can only point you towards the answers we currently have.

 No.8957

>>8956
>If the only thing we are able to proof with logic/math is, that we cannot determine everything...

>If the only thing we are able to proof with logic/math is, that we cannot determine everything...

>the only thing
>only

You really ought to be more precise with how you phrase your arguments when talking about something as complex as Gödels incompleteness. This one word already makes your premise incorrect, I don't even have to look at your conclusion.

t. has actually done the math as part of 2 years of work in computational theory

P.S.: Using Gödels math to talk about determinism has been done before and many different conclusions have been made. As far as I'm aware none of them hold up to any measure of proof. Thus the current state of the art is: We don't know if the universe is deterministic, even though we know that it's impossible to make certain statements and prove them.

 No.8959

>>8957
have you looked at BB? (busy beaver)
i would say it is pretty darn good at approximating where the line between deterministic and non-deterministic is within our current logic.

 No.8960 KONTRA

i should rly, rly stop sending posts too soon and re-read and think about if i wanna add something else.
> We don't know if the universe is deterministic, even though we know that it's impossible to make certain statements and prove them.

Yes, within our current logic we cannot say it. I would agree. I was just counter-fagging the brick.

My first post prolly is most accurately depicting my actual current view point. I do believe it might be possible that there is a parallel universe that is deterministic, but, after playing around with BB, i doubt ours has the capability to be. I would assume a deterministic universe has to be eternal. Our current universe seems to be more of a blip. Maybe a change-able-pseudo-eternal blip ~along the lines of the ship of Theseus where you take the view point that it is a new "ship" or, in this case universe

But, welp, i don't rly come past this "we don't know" myself.

 No.8961 KONTRA

Two pseudo-smart assburgers in a dick-waving contest
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge of. With your 'liberal' 'arts' education, you worthless little maggots can Not even Beginn to comprehend the foundations of computational theory. You ise established terms in an imprecise manner, you are unable to make formal arguments, you have no discernable grasp on the foundations.
You probably should be talking about the worthless bullshit crooked-eyed kikes and frenchmen wrote in the sixties, or at least explain some dike-theory in why the band of a turing machine is phallic and why computational theory is racist, sexist and eurocentric.
Or better flush yourselves down the toilet, since I have never even heard of pseudo-persons remotely as worthless as you are. Spare the world and end yourselves.
And no, I will not teach you. What disgusting vermin you are for wasting minutes of my life with the retarded bullcrap you mistake for arguments! I swear on me mom, both of you are mongoloid retards.

 No.8963 KONTRA

>>8961
> Stop talking about things you have no knowledge of.
wasn't that your point, thou?
> Thus the current state of the art is: We don't know [...]

we two pseudo-smart assburger mongoloids are state of the art intellectuals.

 No.8964

>>8961
Will this phone poster be able to introduce me to computational theory or is this just bullshit?

 No.8965 KONTRA

It’s just encoding information using a binary system.

 No.8966

>>8965
So, like all sexually reproducing organisms?

 No.8967

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The universe is computational. Life is computational and culture is computational.

 No.8968

math is just a language game anyway

 No.8969

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>>8967
I know this artist! Saw him at the Berner Kunstmuseum, among my favorite pieces there were of him. Do you have any background or info on the guy? I know nothing

 No.8970 KONTRA

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This Christmas, you can take exclusive advantage of a -50% discount to teach your child the importance of hard work, organization and personal responsibility with the purchase of a LIDL POS mock-up, complete with 24 binders of extra organization.
Input code 'Ernesto' at check-out and teach your child what Dieter Schwartz learned worked as a cashier in his father's general food wholesaler.

 No.8971

>>8959
>>8960
Interesting points, thanks. I can't really add anything worthwhile without doing some serious thinking at this point, but maybe I'll play with BB myself in the meantime.


>>8966
All known sexually reproducing organisms* are using a base-4 numeral system (aka Quaternary) and not a binary coding scheme.


*is it necessary to qualify 'biological' as well if it's already qualified as 'sexual'?

 No.8972

>>8970
Thank you for enriching my day with this post.

I wanted to post the tom hanks t.hanks image but apparently that has vanished from my directory, could anyone re-post that for me, please?

 No.8973

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>>8972
I work for humanity on my lunch break.

 No.8975 KONTRA

>>8971
It was a throwaway line about two sexes needed for reproduction and wasn't meant to go deeper, plus all organisms have dna, so it's not necessarily confined to just the sexually reproducing ones.
And it depends on whether you count rna differently.

 No.8976 KONTRA

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>>8970
Attended a child's birthday party recently. The gifts included a whole toy Miele kitchen. A grocery store labeled toy shopping basket with toy products with real branding. Toy power tool sets both from Bosch and Black and Decker.

Disturbing.

I of course gifted them with some iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF USD (Acc).

 No.8977 KONTRA

>>8970
Die protestantische Ethik und der Geist des Kapitalismus…

 No.8982 KONTRA

>>8976
>Pay for planting brand addiction into children's heads
What for? You can get that for free.

 No.8984

Damn this one went fast

 No.9006 KONTRA

>>8998
count again !!



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