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 No.499 [View All]

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Let's give this one a try again.

Mods if it gets too cancerous just nuke it and then ban discussions of whokraine.
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 No.11196

>>11190
There are no European sanctions on Russian gas, but on Russian oil. Europe continues to import Russian gas, through pipelines and LNG.

During the 2010s, gazprom strategically acquired the biggest gas storages in Europe. From about 2019, they kept reserves stored in Europe low, in what in retrospect can only be viewed as a preparatory move. See
https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2326914-gazproms-european-gas-storage-empties-out

On the first of March 2022, Russia decided that delivery contracts do not matter and demanded payment in roubles, in violation of existing contracts. 'unfriendly countries' unwilling to pay in roubles would no longer be supplied. Poland, Bulgaria, and the Netherlands refused to pay in roubles and were promptly cut off. See https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-says-it-halts-gas-supplies-poland-bulgaria-payments-row-2022-04-27/

During the summer of 2022, Russia reduced deliveries through the north stream pipeline, ostensibly due to maintenance of a compressor turbine. The turbine had to be maintained in Canada and Russia blocked re-import for weeks, while publicly claiming it could not be imported due to western sanctions.
See:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/kremlin-says-gazprom-would-like-nord-stream-turbine-back-needs-documents-2022-08-04/
Quote:
> Siemens Energy also told Gazprom there was no need for an official sanctions explanation from the European Commission and that the United Kingdom had also confirmed to Gazprom in writing that there were no sanctions preventing the return of the turbine, Kommersant said.

During the summer of 2022, gas deliveries were stopped completely and restarted at reduced rates alternately, due to various conveniently timed maintenance-issues, then halted completely in late August. In late September, someone blew holes into the pipeline, probably to make sure that no one can be tempted to restart it.
See
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60131520

Russian gas deliveries to Europe continue at a low level through remaining pipelines and LNG, see
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/russian-pipeline-gas-exports-europe-down-67-nov-so-far-reuters-calculations-2023-11-16/

While Russia has not publicly announced sanctions, the reduction of reserves, the unilateral changes to the delivery conditions, the interruption of deliveries under pretexts, the unilateral termination of deliveries, etc. factually amount to sanctions.

I have gained the impression that the Russian government and pro-Russian parties in Europe are in the habit of claiming that the counter-sanctions Russia implements were implemented by the other side. For the record, there is no European embargo on food exports to Russia, but a Russian embargo on food imports.
See
https://freepolicybriefs.org/2019/10/14/the-russian-food-embargo-five-years-later/

 No.11262

Belgian F-16 escorted Russian fighters over the Baltic sea.

What are they doing there? Since when is Belgium on the Baltic? NATO is a offensive and aggressive. Russia should destroy all NATO airplanes over the Baltic sea, NATO shit has no place there! These weak shit countries are so scared of Russia they run to America for help, because they are so pathetic! This proves their weakness and Russia will exploit this weakness! NATO collapse is immanent. It was promised to not expand NATI, but the Americans lied! Germany lied! They will be made to pay for their lies once they run out of Ukrops to push to the front!

 No.11263 KONTRA

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>>11262
>Belgian F-16 escorted Russian fighters over the Baltic sea.
>What are they doing there? Since when is Belgium on the Baltic? ....
Please read up on NATO's structure so you don't have to embarrass yourself writing posts like these.

 No.11264 KONTRA

>>11263
>NATO's structure
It is a lie. They are all American satellite states. Now Finland is an American satellite state, too. Because Finland is so afraid of Russia, it became an American satellite state and will now get American bars were the capitalists from New York and Washington sent their black soldiers. Finland will be occupied. Finland is now c****ed. Rather than face Russia, Finland bend over and became homosexual prostitutes for Ametica.

 No.11265

>>11262
Belgium is playing very dangerous games. One day they'll find their "country" turned into radioactive rubble.

>>11264
The situation is not looking good for Finland.
Our resident Fin however is a RAPPER. He's looking forward to seeing African-American soldiers on Finnish soil. He'll say to them:
-- Yo yo yo whatsupp nigga?
And one of the soldiers will respond:
-- Sorry for occupying your country. I've joined the army solely to feed my family, it's hard to make ends meet since racist cops killed my wife and my brother.
He'll show photos of his children, his "house" in trailer park, his skinny hungry cat. This will be a life-changing moment for the Fin. He'll forget all the NATO propaganda which is currently filling his brain. And join the Special Military Operation to free Ukraine from neonazi junta.

 No.11302 KONTRA

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>>11265
You've given me a lot to think about. Thank you, comrade.

 No.11313

>>11264
Does this mean that those stories from club swagger were sent to us from the future?

 No.11369

>>11313
>club swagger?
Is that the club where Sanna Marin goes to meet new male friends?

 No.11378

Based Orbán Viktor will prevent EU from starting negotiations with Ukraine and giving Ukraine money. EU is a bunch of cucks and they cannot do anything without him, he's got them by the balls. Servs them right for trying to force their homo crap and niggers on Hungary!

 No.11385 KONTRA

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 No.11388 KONTRA

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 No.11424

>>11385
>>11388
You might not like it, but this is what actual peace activists look like.

 No.11480 KONTRA

Season's greetings.

T. Seasoned NATO reservist & volunteer online propagandist

 No.11650

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/16/world/europe/ukraine-kherson-river-russia.html
Kievan junta sent poor soldiers to death in order to show fake results to their masters during summit: "Look, we've crossed Dnepr, GIVE us more!"
Their fraud was uncovered by Nytimes

>>11480
Do you support Zelensky or Zaluzhny?
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/12/07/rivalry-grows-between-zelensky-and-ukraine-s-top-general_6319891_4.html

 No.11690 KONTRA

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>>11650
I support the unity of Ukrainian government.

 No.11935

Bad week for the drug-addicted actor acting as president of a break-away Russian province.

- Hungary blocks EU-aid, no more money
- Congress blocks American aid, no more weapons
- Russia bombs cities across the country

Ukraine has lost, Putin has proven it once more, and the west knows it, they just are not ready to about it yet.
The world order with America as a super-power has been broken, the west is weak and corrupt and America is weak and corrupt. Europe is one giant, pathetic joke! Russia and China are the new superpowers.

 No.11974 KONTRA

>>11935
How does wectern weakness make the swamp tsar a superpower?

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>>11974
Because the swamp tsar can project power globally. See this? These Africans fighters wave the Russian flag, because Russia helped with the liberation from the French yoke.

The whole world hates the preachy, gay, weak, pathetic west! Democracy is over! So is veganism, homosexuality, the welfare state, the whole degenerate structure of society that can only lead to collapse and ruin. Africans can see this. Europeans can't. Because Europeans are now dumber than niggers!

 No.11990 KONTRA

>>11935
Hungary blocked the collective EU aid, but the EU still decided to take out a loan for Ukraine, but instead of a system of collective responsibility only Germany and France will bear the burden or repaying it.

 No.11998

>>11990
So? This is good! The EU is failing and the leftist-green German government is causing a bankruptcy! This destroys the EU, the current German government and the Euro!

 No.12159

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Human-snatchers are patrolling Ukrainian streets. They are catching people and dragging them to meat grinder. One of the possible solutions is old man's mask
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

 No.12171

>>12159
>4

Pretty smart Idea. But I dont know, how good this will work in public.

 No.12551

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Ukraine still fighting on and getting Eurobean support, hopefully US can resume support soon as well. Not sure how the front has developed recently but my impression is that the slow grind continues in both directions. Anyways, Ukraine destroyed a big ship (Novocherkassk) loaded with ammo in December. Russia also lost an early warning and control aircraft and a control and command aircraft was heavily damaged and had to make an emergency landing. All very valuable assets for Russia.

>vid

These madlads disabled a MBT with a Bradley's 25mm cannon. That takes some guts. In a longer video they keep pounding it for minutes until the turret is fucked and keeps spinning. And the crew eventually abandons it.

 No.12553 KONTRA

>>12551
European Support is worthless. Europe is weak and does not have weapons. It's only some Euro colored paper and blankets. American support is over, because Democrats hate white people more than they support Ukraine and they will do nothing to stop immigrants from flooding the US. Gotta have muh diversity.

After Trump will be elected, support for Ukraine will be over. With Biden rating well below fifty percent, a second Trump presidency is certain. After years of inflation and recession, Americans want to put America first. They don't want to see their money squandered on some way in some Europeon shithole they have nothing to do with. Trump will undo NATO. It was always a scam, anyway. Like America would risk nuclear war over Shitmany or Pooland lol. Who is even dumb enough to believe that? Oh yeah, apparently, Finns are. And Swedes. Both nations now compete for the title of 'dumbest country in the world'.

 No.12559 KONTRA

Forgot to bost this video. Though a longer and translated version is sadly too large. The main takeaway in that was that "not everything went according to plan" :D

>>12553
>European Support is worthless. Europe is weak and does not have weapons. It's only some Euro colored paper and blankets.
Ask your caretaker to read you this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

 No.12565 KONTRA

>>12551
It's pretty amazing how incredibly retarded the russian tank crew is reacting (or rather non-reacting) here.
A shitty IFV shouldn't be able to bully a grown-up tank like that.
The again, it's the Bradley, against russian armor commanded by russians.

 No.12585

>>12559

> Hurrdur look how many stuffs poorope delivered

The list contains lots of inferior ancient garbage systems in very low numbers. All of the German leopard, PZH 2000, etc. have long since been destroyed, which was not hard for the Russians, since there were only like five of each to begin with.

All meaningful support came from America, and it's now gone, and it won't be coming back. Europe is open for Russian invasion. Finland and Sweden could have been neutral, but they decided they'd Rather be invaded with the Rest of the bunch.

President Trump vowed to not defend EU and he will demand compensation from Europe. Americans are done paying for Pooropes savety and they are done with forever wars. The nigger Obongo was ready to waste Americans money and had Americans killed in defense of a bunch of smelly cheese-eating fagots, and Biden might be ready to do it because he's senile and poops his pants. But president Trump will cut Europe off, and then the fagit fake democracies with gay "marriage" and be welfare for every nigger will be a thing if the past, and the leftist pro-american cucks will be sent to the camps!

 No.13016

Another Russian ship sunk, Orban put back to his place and a 50 billion European support package approved for Ukraine. Great news.

 No.13044 KONTRA

this is what Ukrainian men are dying for

 No.13183 KONTRA

>>13044
>The title of Joseph Darda’s new book, How White Men Won the Culture Wars, may land awkwardly for weary followers of recursive debates over cancel culture, wokeness, and the like. The loudest and most visible partisans in these battles are aggrieved white men, insisting that they’re scapegoats in unhinged identity-driven witch hunts and eagerly putting themselves forward as martyrs in ugly confrontations over free speech. How is it, then, that this demographic emerged as the victors of the modern American culture wars and managed to leverage that success into ongoing, ever-renewable plaints of grievance?

Seems like the article is talking about you.

>As white Vietnam vets struggled with the challenges of adapting to an American social order transformed by the politics of anti-discrimination and cultural representation, they were not simply echoing the well-worn refrains of white reaction. Rather, as Darda shows in this wide-ranging and provocative tour through the post-Vietnam cultural and political scene, they fashioned their own new brand of therapeutically inflected grievance politics, poised to capitalize in a host of ways on America’s emerging postliberal backlash.


So from what I gathered briefly looking at the article these people returned to a country in which the civil rights movememnt happenedm in which "1968" and the so called cultural revolution happened, in which a therpeutical turn and anti psychiatry happened. And they tried to build on that change. It is about middle class men who went to war (it is nout about the working class and black people who went to war) and are now traumatized by it and feel discriminated or use the argument of discrimination for themselves as white american middle class returning from a war in which the US have been the agressor.

Has this got to do anything with ukraine? no.
Are you a whiny bitch that thinks he is has to endure immense sufferings through "cultural revolutions" of "diversity" and feminism that also is analyzed in the article? yes.

 No.13269

Probably the first video of a "vampire" platform in action. Likely firing an APKWS (recent guided variant of the classic Hydra 70mm rocket). Interesting stuff, because based on the publicly available numbers an APKWS costs around 20k $. A Gepard firing a single burst from it's guns is more than double of that. So are shoulder launched missiles such as Stinger. Could be an incredibly cost effective way to deal with drones or cruise missiles, though the range is probably quite limited.

 No.13274 KONTRA

>>13044
> from Vietnam
Their government sent them to a rainforest to fight a war they didn't understand, and didn't know how to win, with booby-traps, mines and ambushes around every corner, where the event treated POWs to Lubyanka/Concenteation-camp-like conditions, to liberate completely alien people who didn't want to be liberated and hated their guts. How dare they pretend that it sucked for them, I mean they are white men and all, so it's really their own fault, since the grocery was white men, too, and who can even tell two white men from another?

 No.13283 KONTRA

>>13183
I swear to god, you are mentally impaired.

> Nothing to do with Ukraine

Oh yes, and the omsk-ball made it clear.
Ukrainians are fighting to be part of the 'West' were we publish such bullshit articles and are proud of it.
I predict that the west will publish similar articles about the Ukrainian soldiers who lose limbs to be part of said West. They are white men, after all, so why complain about being a samowar? They STILL are white men, right? So they should stfu, these sexist fascist pigs, always acting like they got it tough just because they have no arms and legs, always demanding prosthetics and wheelchairs and shit, like THEY are the victims!
Maybe you can take a few cues and start writing such an article now, you'll be at the avant-garde.

The rest of your post is a whole lot of words to say
> Ok, maybe the Vietnam war sucked, but only for Black vets and I am being very generous here, for white working class vets, but there, we must draw a line.

Anti-psychiatry, by the way, is a stupid idea, because it leaves people to fend for themselves who are not able to fend for themselves, due to mental issues. Many of them end up homeless, drug addicted, and often enough, both. The arguments in favor of it are usually made from a naively idealistic perspective and can be summed up as follows
> Dude I mean like nuthouses are total institutions like what is this place Nazi Germany have you seen one flew over the cuckoos nest way out man hand me the bong

The reason such arguments have gained traction is that anti-psychiatry is cheap, and when you love a small government, psychiatric hospitals are a place for cutting costs. Start with people who are unable to get their own lives into order. Because they sure as hell can't fight back, they are busy arguing with imaginary people while waiting in line at the soup kitchen. But that's all in the name off freedom! Nurse rachet won't be able to abuse any insane people while they sleep under bridges!

 No.13300 KONTRA

>>13283
You apparently did not read the article and understand what is addressed in the article. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. My judgment about Omks in that post is also true for you. You are in alignment with what is the object of analysis.

>anti psychiatry blabla


didn't read, not relevant but a distraction

 No.13310

>>13300
>It has nothing to do with
Yes, or does, and if you say otherwise, you are a bigoted reactionary. Ukraine is a prime example of white people monopolizing the victim status when the true victims of the Ukraine war are women of color. Go die in a fire, you racist.

> Did not read

So you are unwilling to discuss the crimes of white psychiatrist? It is obvious that a sexist racist like you would prevent discourse on this topic. I really don't like your reactionary kind, maybe Go Back zu Facebook to spread your hatred for PoCs and women, fucking racist pig.

 No.13321 KONTRA

>>13310
>So you are unwilling to discuss

I'm unwilling to diverge from the object of interest in that discussion. Go entertain your ADHD brain somewhere else. And what is more, you still don't grasp the general idea of the article. Maybe you can show me some more Pareto distributions instead of performing unbearable idiocy.

 No.13327

>>13321
It is not my task to educate an absolute imbecile. It was a mistake to text you this much, since it allows you to pretend to be less stupid and destructive than you really are, which could seriously harm people who fall for your act.

 No.13331

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>>13327
>It was a mistake to text you this much,

I can only hope that you will shut up completely in the near future.

It would already help if your posts will not be riddled with lame-ass insults. How old are you? 17? You make yourself look idiotic that way.
See the mp4 attached, that is how you come across to most people and it is not their fault tbh. You can do the work yourself. You are neither doing a favor to yourself nor other others by acting like this.

 No.13336

>>13331
> 80/20 rule -> it's economics -> must be wrong
> You make yourself look like an idiot

I insult you argument little piece of shit because you deserve every insult in existence.
You know nothing about statistics, or anything else, but you demand to be talked seriously, like you were an educated adult. You reserve the right to talk down to you're betters, like you were not a fake scientist, a fake person and a lier.

You pretend to not understand the connection between that article and Ukraine, but you understand very well.

> It doesn't mean that at all

> No that's not in the article
Wrong. You were explained multiple times, the only thing that had increased is your facade of smugness.

 No.13337 KONTRA

>>13336

>You were explained multiple times


Your incoherent short-breathed ramblings explained nothing. You just made up something in order to attack that and make a connection to Ukraine. Still don't know what the connection is except you being ass blasted that the word white has been used.

While I wasn't aware of the Pareto principle being established as describing a certain statistical distribution this does not make your ramblings concerning this article correct. While I now know that there are distributions that are named after Pareto, you still haven't answered if these distributions are true in the case of mating

 No.13343

>>13337
>kontra in systemkontra

Typing this on my phone, gonna try to keep it short:

In public discourse, the overarching goal of Ukraine's war effort is presented roughly as Ukraine not being a Russian satellite state, but being part of the collective west

Ukrainian soldiers risk their health and lives for this patriotic (patriotic without definition, also without quotation marks, after long deliberation) cause, which their government orders them to do. I am quite certain that many of them will have some form of shell-shock, PTSD, name it as you want.

What does this article have to say about American soldiers who fought for the cause of keeping Vietnam from becoming a Chinese satellite state, and who came back with some parts in their head slightly loose? roughly: Damn those white people for soldiering while white and not liking every minute of it, then not keeping quiet about not liking every minute of it. They only faked trauma, obviously, to keep non-white and working class people down, the sneaky bastards.

I disagree. In my opinion, making these allegations is rather crappy behavior towards Vietnam veterans, the majority of whom did not ask to fight this war, but were ordered to do so by their government, and lost their health in the process. Now, 6 decades later, in their old age, they get told that they should have kept quiet about their trauma and should not even have sought treatment, because they, being white men, did not have anything to complain about in the first place.
The collective west apparently is a cultural sphere were we first draft people to fight a war, then decide the war is too expensive to win, then decide to tell them (5-6 decades later) that it was pretty racist of them to not keep quiet about being traumatized.

It is not obvious to me that great sacrifices should be made to be part of a cultural sphere where we publish such articles and take them seriously.

Suppose Vietnam vets, like WWII vets had kept quiet. What could we write about? I can make up a line of argument: the white middle-class vets kept quiet about their experiences. They internalized their trauma. Being white and middle class, they had the resources to cover it all up. This led to society having a completely distorted image of war and set the bar for how vets should be able to re-integrate into society impossibly high for non white-and working class veterans. These men would have urgently needed treatment for their war-trauma, but the behavior of white men had made trauma invisible.

And I still believe damning essays will be written about veterans of the Ukraine war, in due time, and they will find that it was, ultimately, not worth it, because what will they have gained from being shelled day and night? Being made the bogey-men.

 No.13347 KONTRA

>>13343
>kontra in systemkontra

Symbolic function, Ernst.

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Use quotes from the article. Otherwise, I simply assume you do guesswork tbh.

>Vietnam veterans, the majority of whom did not ask to fight this war, but were ordered to do so by their government, and lost their health in the process.


The article does not deny the suffering of soldiers in Vietnam or that people lost their health or died or whatever. If you think that is the case, give a quote.

1) The article's object is among other things a demographic, with three identity markers: white, middle class, man
1.1) This demographic seems to play an important argument for the whole article. The soldiers of Vietnam are a prototype for a development that seems specific to this demographic. Manly, this demographic has been a winner in the so-called culture wars. It is a book review btw, so you actually would need to read the book.
1.2) This demographic the article seems to say made itself heard despite the "heavily nonwhite and working-class makeup of the conscript army in Vietnam" that did not get heard when it comes to talking about returning from Vietnam and what it means to return from Vietnam and how they were dealt with upon return from that war in the USA of the 1970s post civil rights movement, feminist politics etc ("1968")

How will that be akin to the ongoing war in Ukraine where neither army has a large nonwhite demographic? Nor will Ukraine have a civil rights movement while this war is going on. First bullshit of yours eliminated.


>Now, 6 decades later, in their old age, they get told that they should have kept quiet about their trauma and should not even have sought treatment,


Quote pls. Otherwise, I doubt the article says they should have shut up and keep to themselves. It is probably about how they did it and something was wrong with it. These are two different things but you don't grasp that it is two different things. Hence you come to your broad brush buzzword conclusions that do not make sense because you don't understand the structure if the argument and its differentiation. You see words you don't like but you don't seem to understand the argument that is made with these words, the fine lining so to speak.

>because they, being white men, did not have anything to complain about in the first place.


Again, I would say the article is about what and how they did it, not that they had something to say about the war.
Also looking briefly over the article I see that issues of war crimes and guilt play a role for example, things that can be talked about and that can be argued about. For example, there seems to be an argument that their notions and diagnoses of trauma functioned as a sort of absolution from personal guilt about massacring viet people. This function is possible through the therapeutic turn of the 1970s for example, I could imagine. Because this has had to happen and the retunring soldiers could built in that new vocabulary and knowledge and 'make use of it' indicating that it must not have happened with absolute clear conscious intend

Without quotes that your interpretation can refer to, I won't discuss or read the article in full. Why? Because I don't want to waste my time. Without quotes talking about a text becomes an arduous task and unprecise undertaking that only produces wishy-washy sentences. You need to highlight the arguments in the text for everybody you address and not just in your head. But that means work and takes time. Just blurting out sentences is faster. It happens here all the time and I don't even will exclude myself from it, but I have engaged with texts that way in the past because it was part of my education.

 No.13350

>>13347

> demographics

Where are the numbers? I see no numbers. No numbers, no demographics.

> Conditions were ripe for returning Vietnam vets to engineer this dramatic change in status.

implying they faked in a planned and coordinated effort
> to engineer a change in status
Which led to the
> white resurgence

>Other returning Vietnam veterans, meanwhile, were coping with the challenges of reintegrating into an America society

implying white veterans were not coping with reintegrating. they got home and got busy and
> engineered
> the white resurgence

>the most famous among them, John McCain (another future senator and presidential candidate), built a political career on the idea that his sacrifice and suffering were emblematic of his generation of veterans

Meaning he should not have had a political career after returning from Vietnam, or kept quiet about his experience, lest men with similar experiences might identify with him

>From this lily-white, mediagenic presentation of returning prisoners of war

Meaning those prisoners should not have been so god-damn white. Maybe they could have worn black-face?

>meanwhile, a new cohort of Vietnam authors, all white and male, such as Tim O’Brien, Larry Heinemann, and Robert Olin Butler, gained canonical stature in American letters—

meaning they should not have been published, because they were white Americans and

>[the] flood of literary recreations of the war crowded out memoirs and fictions composed by Vietnamese writers


>How will that be akin to the ongoing war in Ukraine where neither army has a large nonwhite demographic

The Ukraine war of white people overshadows the Yemen civil war, damn those white slavs claiming all the victimhood. Diminished Ukrainian grain exports force African women and children into starvation, they are the real victims, and Ukrainians talk about their suffering? See how you can always blame X for Y while white?

>on the notion of post-traumatic stress disorder—a new psychological diagnosis that took root after a nurse in a Boston VA hospital treated a veteran who’d taken part in the infamous massacre of some 500 Vietnamese villagers in My Lai

Implying PTSD was inserted in the DSM for political reasons, to have some diagnosis to exonerate a war criminal. As if it wasn't a thing with returning WWI and WWII vets of all nations, just known under different names.

> The attribution of PTSD to vets and the white men who identified with them, most of whom did not serve and did not suffer from PTSD” worked “as a kind of entitlement, Darda writes, “a belief that something they deserved had been taken from them, had been taken and must be returned. It encouraged a feeling of entitlement through a sense of discrimination.

So diagnosing PTSD (which, apparently, can only be caused by having served in Vietnam) in white men allowed them to feel as victims, in the case of Vietnam veterans as victims of the war they were victims of. Can't have that, right?

Utterly deranged.

 No.13352

>>13350
The impression that you feel personally criticized by this article makes you feel like you are a victim of some witch hunt, no?


>Where are the numbers? I see no numbers. No numbers, no demographics.


Demographics is a word (also) used to simply label a group within a population. Old people or children are a demographic, too. Old people that still drives cars is a demographic as well, a slice of a population. What has this got to do with numbers? Just because statistical methods are used in demography this does not mean that the word demographic has to automatically come with numbers for that group. Also look into the book and not a book review if you want details, duh.

Let's see what is the basis to even write the book.
There are
>recursive debates over cancel culture, wokeness, and the like.

These debates feature white men as

>the loudest and most visible partisans in these battles are aggrieved white men, insisting that they’re scapegoats in unhinged identity-driven witch hunts and eagerly putting themselves forward as martyrs in ugly confrontations over free speech.


which is basically you on EC all the time as a side note. most of your postings actually center exactly around thus topic and how you and others have to suffer through this battles and which hunts that want to allegedly destroy you and your identity. You have become a victim, you are being discriminated, not blacks or women

So the article or book wnats to answer this question in reference to the situation described above

>How is it, then, that this demographic emerged as the victors of the modern American culture wars and managed to leverage that success into ongoing, ever-renewable plaints of grievance?


But you don't attack the argument that is made to answer this question. Instead, you go on to make hurr durr they white they have to shut up and never open their mouth or do anything. You twist words or ignore them to prove that the article also participates in the witch hunt and white middle class Vietnam soldiers are being silenced (which historically is simply not true since they gained a lot of attention and the article explains why that is and also criticizes it)

 No.13353

>>13350
>>13352

>Returning Vietnam vets mimicked the rhetoric and strategies of the era’s homegrown protest movements while developing a powerful narrative of abandonment and trauma to convey their own sense of disaffection. And in spite of the heavily nonwhite and working-class makeup of the conscript army in Vietnam, the dominant image of the Vietnam vet became a white, middle-class one.


The book according to the article makes the argument that the "1968" culture war and the methods and forms of protests developed by black people, women and others during that time were used by the returning white middle-class vietnam soldiers whose experience dominated as an image of the vietnam vet despite there having been other demographics that made a large part of the vietnam army, for example white working class men, black (working class) men and probably others, dunno, did not read the book.


>As white Vietnam vets struggled with the challenges of adapting to an American social order transformed by the politics of anti-discrimination and cultural representation, they were not simply echoing the well-worn refrains of white reaction. Rather, as Darda shows in this wide-ranging and provocative tour through the post-Vietnam cultural and political scene, they fashioned their own new brand of therapeutically inflected grievance politics, poised to capitalize in a host of ways on America’s emerging postliberal backlash.


White middle class vietnam soldiers returned to a US society whose cultural and social make up has changed, and they had to adapt to something that was kinda foreign to them.
The author also says that they developed a grievance politics that capitalizes on a backlash against the developments that happened in the 1960s, the change in social and cultural make up that came about with the culture wars (civil rights movement, feminist movement and so on)

 No.13354

>>13350
>implying they faked in a planned and coordinated effort

No, engineering merely means they could work on a change thanks to certain conditions. How coordinated that was is not mentioned at that point in the article. You usually have to read the whole article and not rely on the summary sentences at the beginning of a paragraph if you look for details.

>Which led to the "white resurgence"


The first paragraph already deals with a condition for that change in status through a discourse of
>white ethnic revival

This discourse as I understand runs parallel to events in the 1960s mentioned above and in this discourse asserts a
>new cultural status on behalf of a cohort of twentieth-century immigrants—Polish, Italian, Greek, and Slovak Americans (or PIGS, in the provocative coinage of white ethnic theorist and eventual neoconservative theologian Michael Novak)—who bore limited culpability for the original sin of Black slavery.

So these whites say they cannot be blamed for the slavery of black people, they are not WASP but late white immigrants. you probably want to hear from me what I think about that, if that is not true!!!!. And yes, you cannot not make them responsible for the slavery/Atlantic triangle of the US

>the white immigrant experience “turned white people into minorities, innocent and self-made,


So this discourse frames "PIGS" as minorities who had to build their way up in this society. The faced challenges and they equate these challenges with the challenges that black and brown people faced. As PIGS they understood themselves as equally discriminated and challenged as black on brown people and attribute their failure 'for making it' to cultural background and choices. The author thinks that this is wrong since they have been and still are differences. That PIGS did not face the same discrimination as black and brown people during that time.

So basically there is a discourse on white ethnicity by whites that reframes whites as PIGS and discriminated and that is one thing the vets capitalized on.

Now let's come to the next and probably last paragraph because it shows how meager your reading comprehension is or how lazy and selective your reading was in order to find arguments for your ramblings

>Other returning Vietnam veterans, meanwhile, were coping with the challenges of reintegrating into an America society that seemed ashamed of the failed Southeast Asian war—and indifferent to hostile to the plight of veterans of the conflict.


You said this about the paragraph:

>Other returning Vietnam veterans, meanwhile, were coping with the challenges of reintegrating into an America society

>implying white veterans were not coping with reintegrating.

The "other" references the paragraph above this one about a white vet sueing for reverse discrimination so he can get into college over a black person.
So you twists words to your liking, because the paragraph does not deny that white veterans were coping and had problems reintegrating into a society that seemed hostile towards them as they lost the war etc.

Since you only chose small snippets of text and I could already see how you twisted and selected to your liking with context and reference to the argument itself, I won't engage any further. Just to much time will be wasted. You tried to make yourself look like you did something but you did not put in work or willingness in my eyes. Wich I'm not surprised about. You come across as a person that thinks this is not necessary or generally bullshit. So why should I invest energy with such an attitude of yours?

 No.13355 KONTRA

>>13350
>Other returning Vietnam veterans, meanwhile, were coping with the challenges of reintegrating into an America society
>implying white veterans were not coping with reintegrating. they got home and got busy and
> engineered
> the white resurgence

Veterans came back and struggled with reintegration and one way to reintegrate and cope with the changes and challenges faced in post 1968 US for them was apparently to fuse the thoughts a white ethnic revival discourse with methods from the culture wars of black people and women and their vocabulary (+ making use of the therapeutic turn and its methods/vocabulary to make meaning of what happened to them)

So while you think that the authors think these people did not struggle and cope and with returning from the war, the author describes exactly HOW they did struggle and cope with their return.

 No.13377 KONTRA

>>13355
KONDITIONIERT WIE A RATZ!

 No.13383 KONTRA

>>13377
DAS KANNST DU DOCH NICHT ERNSTHAFT BEHAUPTEN!

 No.13485

>>13383
Nigger



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