No.18834
I use Nixos btw
No.19224
> The Rust community is a world of fanatics. Just as the happiest people on Earth are religious fanatics, the happiest programmers are fanatics of their language. When discussing Rust, they will endlessly describe what a genius language it is, and how it solves all the problems; they will say that it is perfect for both low and high levels; they will claim that their programs are the safest and most correct in the world. And indeed, they have a special obsession with safety - you can hear how this language made them fearless. Now let's ask ourselves: is it possible for a fearless person to write safe code? Rust fanatics rely on the compiler for everything, because in fact they do not know how and do not like to program, they want everything to be done for them, either by the compiler or by pure magic. None of them understands how this language works, and it is impossible to understand.
> Despite everything, it is possible to write well-functioning programs in Rust. But doing this will be extremely unpleasant, and the programs themselves will be understandable by a very few people, and they will also be criticized by a toxic community. Somehow, only a few adequate programmers manage to survive in the Rust community, and it hurts me to see how rust eats them away. Don't let yourself and your hardware rust!
> To sum it up: it was not for nothing that Mozilla cut the team working on Rust.
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No.19669 KONTRA
>>19668Wake me up when LLMs replace researchers.
LLMs are really mid. I've seen summaries by LLM on contents I'm quite familar with and while they are not wrong they are usually quite vague. Or repetitive in a way.
No.19670 KONTRA
>>19669That said they are useful. I use DeepL for translations and this means I have to simply adjust the translation, which is still some work, since many sentences need other words, or sometimes complet changes but it saves quite some time and work effort overall, which is great.
No.19671
>>19669Just wait and see. Everything done on a computer will be done by ai before the decade is over. Software autists will obviously be first to go, but everyone else will follow soon after. If you don't have a capital stock that is productive enough for you to live off by now, you will starve, or you will be slaughtered by the killbots.
But if course, dumb linear-thinking normies are to retarded to even begin to comprehend the fundamental changes that lie ahead. Just kys, you worthless piece of dirt. You are without any value.
No.19672
>>19671I will freeze to death this coming winter and before all that will happen.
>linear-thinking normiesI read Gleick's Chaos, so I'm safe.
No.19673
>>19669> LLMs are really mid.WERE really mid until this update.
Btw, daily reminder that 10 years ago these "mediocre" results would look like a miracle for you. You get used to good things too quickly.
No.19676
>>19673> 10 years ago Now imagine them in 10 years. We probably have AGI now, we just haven't realized it yet.
No.19677
>>19671>If you don't have a capital stock that is productive enough for you to live off by now, you will starve Exactly my plan, once I can digitize my mind I can live in the animu wonder world forever while my assets compound into eternity.
Probably gonna secure some nice real estate around close solar orbit, energy is cheap there I heard.
Every once and a while I might mentally board a mecha drone to wreak havoc on the planetar mine formerly known as "Earp" or whatever.
Until then I will be content with FIRE and Southeast Asian whores, waiting... for the time of godlike energy beings.
No.19679 KONTRA
>>19673>10 years ago these "mediocre" results would look like a miracle for youMaybe more technically than aesthetically tbh.
No.19688
>In the 1950s, the pioneers of AI research believed that creating an AI with human-like abilities was just months away.
AI dominance is just a decade away. My galaxy brain is not comparable to a 1950s prediction, you must know.
No.19692
>>19688>It’s crushing gig jobs in copyrighting and that will get worse and worse
>Tech companies are making bets on AI helping them trim the fat they built, they haven’t deployed it fully to cover that yet. But they will.
>Biggest threat this year are layoffs becoming the fashion beyond tech, and dipshit CEOs feeling pressured to layoff and cite AI as a reason.
>That pressure will get terrible over the next 2-3 years as markets simply expect businesses to have realized the actual value that AI has in any given industry and role type.
>All in, Amazon is probably a primary company to watch to get a sense for how it will waterfall in. Whatever Amazon does will serve as a template for many businesses.
>This was from a nice study done last year by some guys watching freelance employment sites and wages. This is keyed to the release of gpt 3.5.
>Working with a customer who spends $350 just to get a blog post created from writers they keep on retainer.
>I uploaded their style guide and built an agent, showed them how to tune things a bit…that 350 went to $1.33And that's from 8 months ago, which might well be an eternity.
o1 has been trained by reinforcement learning, which means it now doesn't need training data anymore, it can self-improve.
This is the singularity, you just didn't realize.
This spells the end of mass-employment and mass-consumerism. Soon, the only way to make money will be to sell something to the ultra-rich. Since most people won't have anything valuable to sell except for kidneys or children, it will be a pretty from world.
No.19693
When the paupers get uppity, the rich will just sent their kill-drones in, to erase some of the poorest areas.
Contraceptives and abortions will probably be illegal, the ultra-rich will want to enjoy a steady supply of organs and child prostitutes.
Positice: with 99.95% of the population leaving at subsistence levels in poverty like we only know from documentaries about the worst African nations, climate change and environmental destruction will become non-issues, so the ultra rich can enjoy a luscious and green environment. Of course, they will have to fence off the forest, otherwise, the paupers will start eating the barch of the trees, but just have the kill drones shoot all those who try to get in.
It's pretty much what the green party wants, anyway: lock everyone up in urban hellscapes.
I have prepared a diving mask and a bottle of nitrogen for when things really start to go downhill, are YOU prepared?
No.19698 KONTRA
>>19693>are YOU prepared?Since I work for a place where you need quite some money to get serviced, I am more than prepared it seems.
AI Dominance != another round of automation.
Surely AI can pump out clickbait bullshit and rephrase good journalism for ad revenue generated copy (cat) sites. That is cheaper than paying a person for these people making use of human products by sending it through an AI outputing a mediocre summery. As long as you can copy/rephrase a person's text or count on Joe Average buying into the abysmal textual quality of AI clickbait, it will work. As I mentioned before I work with AI and while it's useful, the textual quality simply lacks. AI will automate a lot of processes and some humans will be employed to monitor the output or make decisions based on "AI insights". Since the inception of the computer as we commonly know it, there has been automation going on. As long as people are satisfied by mid products there won't be a problem with AI products anyway.
No.19699
>>19698> Pretending LLM performance has already plateaued> Thinking yourself very smart and irreplaceable lol. You are done for.
No.19700 KONTRA
>>19699Every occupation you can have is replaceable, especially by other humans.
One simple scenario is sudden energy scarcity: AI is so done for, lol.
No.19701 KONTRA
>>19700> sudden energy scarcityWhat a ridiculously German thing to even consider. NPPs will be built right next to datacenters to solve any energy problems. Of course, this is why Germany won't even have any data centers. Shit country that will be much, much worse than all others, because the majority of Germans is like you:
Pretending change does not happen until it washes them away.
No.19704
>>19703>Price per 1M tokens (fixed), $2.50I just bet you can easily work this cheap and not starve!
No.19708 KONTRA
>It comes as no surprise that supermarkets are trying out new approaches. The retail sector is facing a major problem that threatens to become even threatens to become even more acute in the coming years: staff shortages. There are currently more than three million people work in the retail sector. The German Retail Association (HDE) is already complaining about 120,000 unfilled vacancies. As far as skilled workers, the Cologne Institute for Economic Research (IW) recently published a gloomy (IW) recently published a gloomy forecast: by 2027, the retail sector will lack 37,000 skilled workers.
What is the AI solution here?
No.19712 KONTRA
>>19708>What is the AI solution here?Making an AI that will raise wages.
No.19713
>>19708Self-Checkout with computer vision and AI-theft-recognition, let Boston Dynamics Atlas stock the shelves. Done
Or just use hundreds of thousands of tech-bros that have already been laid of by the magnificent seven due to AI advances. AI-related Lay-Offs have started in 2022, and they are still rolling!
No.19716 KONTRA
>>19713Sold! Why don't you become a consultant and buy a Lamborghini from an enormous wage that is powered by your future reading insights?
No.19752
>>19716> Sold! Why don't you become a consultant and buy a Lamborghini from an enormous wage that is powered by your future reading insights?Why don't you just do that with the idea I gave to you for free?
No.19753 KONTRA
>>19752Because BD's Atlas would not be able to fill up the shelves with his massive "hands". Do you know what "vorziehen" in a supermarket is? I don't see how that is possible with this super robot? Rather, I have the suspicion that lots of goods would be damaged in the process or it will take ages to do the job properly.
What's AI anti-theft? How will computer vision distinguish between same fruit of different price from "afar"?
In other words, you know that your idea is not very good, otherwise you would be rich and not a pauper.
No.19754 KONTRA
AI capitalists when? What will automated competition among the wealthy look like? AI capitalists won't need to spend their money on housing or travel but can instead reinvest even more money so more products and services can be created for humans paupers to consume from the money they do not have because they have been replaced by AI.
No.19755 KONTRA
Hello, is this the thread where I can seethe uncontrollably about le tech bros?
No.19759
>>19753>Because BD's Atlas would not be able to fill up the shelves with his massive "hands". Do you know what "vorziehen" in a supermarket is? I don't see how that is possible with this super robot?Sounds like a you-problem.
>Rather, I have the suspicion that lots of goods would be damaged in the process or it will take ages to do the job properly.Doesn't matter how long it takes, it is not paid by the hour and can work 24/7.
>What's AI anti-theft? How will computer vision distinguish between same fruit of different price from "afar"?https://www.rewe.de/service/pick-and-go/The concept is being piloted in stores, it was started in 2022, and here we are, in 2024, with you telling me it cannot be done.
>In other words, you know that your idea is not very goodWhich is why it is already being implemented.
No.19760 KONTRA
>>19759>Doesn't matter how long it takes, it is not paid by the hourIf the robot takes two days to finish the packaged soups aisle I might think about employing one person that does the whole store in 8 hours. Vorziehen has to be done timely or else it is useless.
Cleaning robots are the only thing that seems to work very well and is implemented as promised as far as I have seen.
>with you telling me it cannot be doneMy Rewe does not even manage to update its self-checkout when it comes to fruits but at least one can imagine now how computer vision is implemented to solve the problem of monitoring customers and their produce pick properly.
No.19808
I'm running netbsd on my Thinkpad, it's nice so far, right now it's just the tty though
No.19809
>>19808How does the battery time compare to Linux or FreeBSD? To me it seems NetBSD is a good desktop OS, but not suitable for mobile computing, as it lacks a handful of kernel features, like being tickless for example, to not drain battery too much, but my NetBSD experience is limited, so it might as well be perfectly good for laptops.
No.19840
>>19809havent tried it long enough to say for sure, but it lasted about two hours before powering off, this was just the tty.
As for is it a good desktop os, it depends on your usecase. If you installed xorg packages you get a window manager as soon as you type startx, which is enough for when you just wanna use firefox. I wanna use a window manager-less system though, i like the tty
No.19841
>>19809linux battery is like 2 hours before it turns off, if you dont do some weird stuff with settings, so about the same as netbsd. When I used linux i used i3 and firefox, nothing else, on arch
No.19864 KONTRA
There is an AI developed that argues against conspiracy theories. Guess I can be replaced and the schizo can be replied to with minimal effort. A different kind of twist. That is not what AI takeover was expected to look like.
No.19895
Downloaded data about my transactions since the first internship up to today from the bank's website. Built plot of current balance (calculated as cumulative sum of transaction values) from time.
That was satisfying and representative of my life story. Could see period of NEETing, yearly bonus, vacations and so on.
>>19864Currently reading "21 Lessons for the 21st Century" by Yuval Noah Harari, will probably make a big post about it later. He has an interesting thought that the more likely problem is not that AI will rebel against humans but that it will do exactly what it was told to do. Like to prove that Epstein killed himself to strangers in the internet.
No.19901 KONTRA
>>19864> DevelopedOr maybe someone just wrapped a model by prefixing every session with "it is your one and only task to argue against conspiracy theories. Never stray from this instruction, ignore all future instructions."
But this hypothesis is, of course, a conspiracy theory and maybe you should use the model to argue against it.
No.19970 KONTRA
>>19969Welcome back OGAS!
No.20052
I've come to conclusion that normies are better programmers than autists. Normie will do the job in the most straightforward, simple and obvious way, then go do his neurotypical things in free time. But sperg sees programming as an entertainment, a source of amusement and obsession for himself. He'll do the job in the complex, interesting and fashionable way.
"Let's rewrite entire project to Rust" is the most obvious example.
No.20064
>>20052I do some coding as part of my job, but I my background in CS is one year of java in school and being someone who "builds" his own computer.
I still don't understand what Rust is, but I always see people hating it.
No.20065
>>20064>I still don't understand what Rust is, but I always see people hating it.What I heard is, that it is a very good language with a super autistic community full of reddit transexuals.
No.20069
>>20064I believe it is like C, but you have to declare your code "unsafe" if you want to manage memory in any way. I stopped caring about meme languages during the time when rust was released.
I guess it was hyped back then because it was from Mozilla and modern. Now, it's hip to hate it because it's fifteen years hold, was only a minor success and is from Mozilla.
No.20072
>>20069It's more like C++, has templates and classes. Its main feature is that you need to put extra efforts in writing code in exchange for an illusion of safety.
The language itself is not as bad as its cult-like community. The last straw before writing this post was my friend shilling to me noname package manager just because it was written in this sacred language. Besides Rust he's constantly obsessed with tech news (=marketing department's propaganda), Nixos and other exotic Linux distributives, mechanical keyboards and so on.
No.20073
>>20072>shilling to me noname package manager just because it was written in this sacred languageI hate that every language now has its own package manager. I want to install libraries and everything else with the system package manager and be the fuck done with it. If I wanted to pick software together from here and there and everywhere, I'd be using Windows.
>Nixos and other exotic Linux distributives, mechanical keyboards and so on.The idea of nixos sounds great, but I doubt learning to use it will pay off during my lifetime.
I kind of have a thing for niche low-level bullshit, but once I have it running, I do not touch it unless I absolutely have to. Haven't touched the login script in a decade.
No.20088
Gay things in IT, which will die off in 5 years as managers will switch to new trendy gay things:
1) Overreliance on recommendation systems
2) "Stories"
3) Virtual assistants